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Permalink Reply by Mohd Afiffuddin bin Yaacob on May 6, 2010 at 10:27pm salam alaykom w rahmatullah w barakatu, Sister in Islam
Thanks for sharing your opinion. i read thru the article by Ibrahim Syed PhD that you posted. It seems to me that there is a logical flaw in his argument. First he states the verse in the Quran where it mentions that we MUST cover in order to be safe from male desires. Then he refers to the exception for elderly women who are beyond the age of potential pregnancy. So far logic is flowing. Then he states that men FORCE women to wear it which is not right and goes on to belittling men. Ok - regardless of whether i agree or not it's a flowing argument so far. Now he says men use it in a way to segregate women from being active members of society and in history, women in Islam were always involved in community efforts. So he's really saying the way men manipulate women is not right. Nothing to do with hijab. But now he jumps from that and says hijab is not obligation. What happened to the verses he already mentioned? When he referred to historical women in Islam being contributing members of society did he mention whether they wore hijab or not? Is his argument about the way men treat women or whether hijab is obligation or not? Seems to be a very poorly devised argument without any logical flow. This has no reflection on you, Sister in Islam, so please don't think i'm attacking you in any way. I just don't see any logic in this Syed PhD article. His issue seems to be with men and not hijab but his conclusion rejects hijab without stating any proof except that, according to him, men are insecure and have a complex.
To my knowledge only "quran aloners" believe that hijab is not obligatory because they reject all hadith. Astaghfirullah i was raised like that so i know their arguments well. They reject all sunnah and play with the words and their roots in Quran to get whatever meaning suits them. Better to follow real scholars.
As for my own personal opinion, Syed PhD is right that it's very hurtful to force a woman to do anything. There is no compulsion in Islam things must come from the heart. And this deen is about good adab. There is no adab in forcing anything on a woman. Ad-deen mua'amla. It's all about good manners in dealing with people. The only thing anyone can do is advise and educate, but every man and woman must make his or her own decision in the end. This is our right given to us by Allah we have the right to choose right or wrong. But this does not change what is right and what is wrong.
Like i said, i lived all my life until about 2 years ago when i entered tareeqa believing that all i need is this one twisted interpretation of the Quran written by a "quran-alone scholar". And i did not believe in hijab - only to dress modestly. Now that elhamdulillah i wear it, i know the difference because i experienced the difference. Just as the Quran says it does protect a woman. Maybe societies we live in are so messed up that it can't protect everything but there is a big difference in the level of safety i feel with it on elhamdulillah. There is nothing in the Quran that is written for nothing astaghfirullah hasha. It is all with wisdom beyond our comprehension. Hijab really does protect the woman i believe it because i lived both sides (without hijab and with hijab) and i witnessed a bit of the truth of that verse. It doesn't matter how pious you are on the inside or the high standard of morals you have or how much discipline you have in dealing with men appropriately... if you are not covering, it can lead to problems you don't want. I'm not saying hijab is stopping all problems but it highly reduces it. And maybe even the better i wear it the less of any problem i will encounter inshaAllah.
It is a gradual process and i don't think it's right for anyone, especially in tareeqa, to look down at someone who is not wearing it or not wearing it 100% properly. We are all slowly on the journey to transforming ourselves, dropping what is bad and adopting what is Islam. Every single person whether born Muslim or just became a Muslim today is going thru this journey inshaAllah. And maybe today i'm making the wrong decision and tomorrow Allah guides me. And maybe Allah guided me to wear hijab but i have 5 million other sins i need to fix. And maybe someone else who is not wearing hijab has this one sin and if she wore it she will be 5 million times better than me overall. So there can never be any judgment because we really don't know where anyone is on their journey and where they will end up! Advice or reminder is good especially if it comes in a nice and encouraging way but judgment never helps anything.
It is very hard, especially in Western society to dress as a Muslim. I don't have any right to pass any judgment on someone who is not able to handle it. Some people have lost their jobs over hijab and others were tormented in school. The list goes on and on and they are real issues people face. So it's not so easy to put it on and really it is a big blessing from Allah if you are able to do it, especially now. Blessed is the one who is given the strength to do something he or she believes in. It's nothing anyone can try to do without Allah granting it. After i entered tareeqa, it took me 1 year to get myself to wear it and subhanAllah one year ago, last April, Mawlana Shaykh Nazim made his daily suhba on sufilive and spoke about Islamic clothing, to be dressed and known that you are Muslim. And my heart instantly just opened subhanAllah and the very next day i put on a scarf and walked thru New York shopping like that.. and elhamdulillah w shukrulillah i never took it off since that day. How did it happen that for 26 years i rejected hijab and for 1 year i struggled to get myself to wear it with no luck and suddenly overnight it just happened? It is Mawlana Shaykh Nazim's miracle on me. He saves me from myself because it's obvious i could not do it on my own. This is what i mean... it is only because Allah guides, it's nothing that you or i could ever do on our own. That's why i can't really look at anyone except under my own feet and if i see something good i say elhamdulillah Allah granted me to be that way and if i see something bad i say Allah guide me to better and thru our Shaykh, may Allah give him the longest life, inshaAllah we will be guided and dressed with the best in spite of ourselves and our shotcomings! And i only learned this thru Sultanul Awliya Mawlana Shaykh Nazim and Mawlana Shaykh Hisham's teachings without them i would be a very very lost girl. They literally saved my life elhamdulillah w shukrulillah and still saving.
I also agree that women do not have to be home-bound to be good Muslims. And it's not right for a man to force a woman to choose a lifestyle she doesn't want. There is a place for women in society, as there is a place for men also. And she can actively participate as she likes within her space. And if she chooses to stay at home that should also be ok. Hijab really does not have anything to do with being in public or sitting at home. It only makes being in public safer.
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Permalink Reply by alfaqeerah on May 7, 2010 at 12:41pm Bismillaahirrahmaanirrahiym
wassalaatu wassalaamu alaa Rasululllah wa 'alaa aalihi wa sahbihi wa salllim A story from Grandshaykh Abdullah Addaghastani (Q.S) comes to mind ,A man came to a scholar and said to the scholar I am wanting to become Muslim what must I do.(the scholar said)"You must take say the shahadah ,take shower ,perform all the obligatory prayers ,perform fasting ,give zakah and perform the pilgrimage." Then the scholar added oh ya and you must get circumsized." The man said I didnt so much mind all that was said up till he said about the circumsision and I said to that scholar if this religion is like this I dont want to be a muslim.nevermind Later that person came to Grandshaykh and again out of his sincerity said to Grandshaykh Abdullah Addaghastani(Q.S.) That he wished to become muslim and what should he do? Grandshaykh told that person to say shahadah.So that man said shahadah and said is there anything else ? Grandshaykh Abdullah said "Thats it for now,If you want more come see me another time" So that man very happy left and after sometime his heart was yearning more so he came to Mualana Grandshaykh Abdullah and said " I am wanting more" So grandshaykh abdullah told him,"Ok go and start performing the prayers,and If you want more than come see me" That is the end of the story from shaykh Hisham which was to say to us not to be heard upon people.Yes propell them to WANT to practise "Like this article" It is a good reminder and maybe someone needed to hear it but we should not engage in belittling others or saying," ...but I guess articles and titles like these dont really catch their attention... coz its not "so spiritual" or not "spiritually interesting"...Wallahu'alam...
And yes according to all great and well known scholars of Islamic History ,They all have said Hijab is Obligatory "And if we are new muslims we shoudl seek to learn the religion before we try and teach it.Insha'Allah
May Allah forgive us Allahumma salli 'alaa Muhammad wa 'alaa aalhihii wa sahbihii wa sallim
Permalink Reply by bashir on May 7, 2010 at 12:41pm The dangers of today's modern scholars..they use too much logic and own interpretations..
Listen to Rasulullah(s)...he(s) who said...HOLD ON FAST TO MY AHL BAYT...
get opinions of deen only from AUTHORIZED ones..those learned ones that hold the sanad (chain of transmission) that goes all the way back to Rasulullah(s). Knowledge of deen is not like math and science..its the a Divine Breath and needs to have a proper chain of transmission. a Phd or a doctrate does not give the person any authority to interprete the Qur'an and twist it as and how he likes to 'suite' the modern society.. the deen is eternal and was brought down as suitable for whole of mankind from Adam to the last person created. It is only the fact that now, MEN TWIST DEEN TO SUITE THEIR OWN DESIRES.
prophet(s) says to HOLD ON TO HIS DESCENDENTS. those who dont hold on to the teachings of his descendants are bound to drown.. prophet(s) has even compared his descendents to the ark of Noah...whoever fails to hold on to them are bound to perish.
hold on to the untainted teachings of his descendents....and you will never go wrong..
Nowadays in universities they have Non muslims teaching Qur'an! where is the blessing in that! May Allah protect us and direct us towards True teachings that He desires for us..to what we desire for own whimps and passions!
Permalink Reply by alfaqeerah on May 7, 2010 at 1:01pm The dangers of today's modern scholars..they use too much logic and own interpretations..
Listen to Rasulullah(s)...he(s) who said...HOLD ON FAST TO MY AHL BAYT...
get opinions of deen only from AUTHORIZED ones..those learned ones that hold the sanad (chain of transmission) that goes all the way back to Rasulullah(s). Knowledge of deen is not like math and science..its the a Divine Breath and needs to have a proper chain of transmission. a Phd or a doctrate does not give the person any authority to interprete the Qur'an and twist it as and how he likes to 'suite' the modern society.. the deen is eternal and was brought down as suitable for whole of mankind from Adam to the last person created. It is only the fact that now, MEN TWIST DEEN TO SUITE THEIR OWN DESIRES.
prophet(s) says to HOLD ON TO HIS DESCENDENTS. those who dont hold on to the teachings of his descendants are bound to drown.. prophet(s) has even compared his descendents to the ark of Noah...whoever fails to hold on to them are bound to perish.
hold on to the untainted teachings of his descendents....and you will never go wrong..
Nowadays in universities they have Non muslims teaching Qur'an! where is the blessing in that! May Allah protect us and direct us towards True teachings that He desires for us..to what we desire for own whimps and passions!
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1. The companionship of individuals in a pleasant atmosphere.
2. A close association of friends sharing similar interests.
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